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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:22:00 -
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Its what the cloud is for extendible and lots of computing power to adapt to both low and high load and THWART DDOSers! as much as we joke about 'the hamsters' its wrong to not use 21st centry tech to solve problems for thousand of players? just look at the forums and u can see theres a problem. things like Jita might be solve by getting bigger computers but what of multiple fleet battles and MORE SYSTEMS? cloud is the future but it seems the ignored by ccp. why? |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand what is it you think that Gǣthe cloudGǥ will be able to do? If you think it'll help against DDoSes, maybe you should look up the successful attacks made against high-profile cloud services. ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP? amazon is drawing much much more attention and id expect it to be bigger "target" than CCP, yet it has less problems. |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP? Amazon is also not a real-time service. So again, what is it you think that GÇ£the cloudGÇ¥ will be able to do? amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:44:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote: Let me guess....you have a Facebook page and you Twitter as well.  what do those have anything to do with it? and what if i do? its not like im trying to get u to read them  |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 16:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either GǪbecause it's not a real-time service, so it can survive running at .01 Hz. You're still avoiding the question, by the way. your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore Try reading, preferably without skipping words. Or entire questions. Yes, between waiting for the page to load, the user looking through the page and finding the information they need, and general net congestion, Amazon can survive while delivering pages at .01 Hz. What is it you think that GÇ£the cloudGÇ¥ will be able to do for us? thats in the OP, maybe u should read urself  |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:13:00 -
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so its easier to "LOL UR DUMB" than explain why someone is wrong, yes? maybe u could get "crayons" and explain why thousand of computers working together to spread work and reduce ddos is wrong? |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:22:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:Tippia wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either GǪbecause it's not a real-time service, so it can survive running at .01 Hz. You're still avoiding the question, by the way. [Y]ou['re] saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? [I] don[']t even get what [you're] trying to say anymore[.] Hes saying it only has to load a page once every hundred seconds or so. (I assume this number is actually closer to 10-20) Eve has to both send and receive data from each client every second while that client's ship is in space. http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2012/04/amazon-s3-905-billion-objects-and-650000-requestssecond.html
650000 per second is not 1 every 10-20 secs and not .01 hz |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:27:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:so its easier to "LOL UR DUMB" than explain why someone is wrong, yes? maybe u could get "crayons" and explain why thousand of computers working together to spread work and reduce ddos is wrong? Your assumption that cloud is the answer is flawed. Based on one thing... The latency between the distributed services would cause to much latency for a service like EVE that requires real-time processing. i dont think so. if a cloud computer is handleing every place there are ships then the latency only hapens on warps and jumps that are alredy 'slow' enough to hide any wait with async query |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:31:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:i dont think so. if a cloud computer is handleing every place there are ships then the latency only hapens on warps and jumps that are alredy 'slow' enough to hide any wait with async query Thanks for proving my point, what you describe is what the Eve servers are doing this very moment, they are the cloud/internet no right now they are by system only and not really because a lot of systems are on the same 'nodes' there is also bottleneck in a bunch of places which is y i think ccp is so ddos vulnerable. use cloud -> eliminate bottleneck -> profit |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kristalll wrote:Does the OP not realize that the cloud is just computers just like the current server structure?
Does the OP think the cloud is some magical internet entity? I'm pretty sure when he is saying "use the cloud", what he really means is "distribute it over more hardware", I just don't think he realises that is what he means, since he has no idea what he's talking about. that is only sort of what im saying. right now can eve dynamic start servers and instances to manage load and lots of stuff? no!! ccp is limiting by the PHYSICAL SERVERS THEY HAVE! i am understanding and i know that eve is distributed on 'internet servers' (do u guys think im stupid?) but the diff is the curent model is like hiring 3 people to do tech support and their overwelmed sometimes, vs out-sourcing to a tech support company to not get overwelmed because they have 'standby backup'! |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:49:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote: Remember. Hardware is not dedicated to you in hosted or cloud based service.
its not and there is still need for some dedicated processing (eg big battles) but the remainder load can be split up a LOT and done in paralel. ive read about what ccp uses to run eve and it looks limiting in this way |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:47:00 -
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so then...... the problem as u ppl are saying is bandwith b/w servers. but srsly how much data actualy needs to be transfered?? ONE person going from one server to another (eg jumping) is maybe few kb's..... wtf is 10 Gbps for? |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:59:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:so then...... the problem as u ppl are saying is bandwith b/w servers. but srsly how much data actualy needs to be transfered?? ONE person going from one server to another (eg jumping) is maybe few kb's..... wtf is 10 Gbps for? its not a few kb. its more then that, as each time you jump the server makes a query to the DB server asking for all yoru info, everything. To which is sent back. You don't have your own dedicated DB, you have a few that are used by everyone. So its not just you jumping, but every jump, ever made, every dock, undock, cyno, everything quires the DB. So you have MB or even GB of data transferring back and forth all day, everyday. you add more lines or slipt stuff up it will cause bottle necks and slow things down. Because, now your asking to hit a server maybe a block away, in a fleet fight, there are thousands and DB quires every few seconds. To see where your ship and stuff and drops are. So Think of it like this, right now everyone in your house can turn a faucet and that tells your house/cities water system to send you water. So now you split your house into 7 different rooms, across a longer area, but you still get the same amount of water to your house. If everyone turns on the faucet at once it will take longer to get the water, and less amounts due to distance. now add more houses in the same setup feeding off you water. It will get slower and slower. distributed databases exist, right? in ur scenario its like u use more utility companies for more water |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:14:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Tippia wrote:You're trying to apply a solution for asynchronous loose-latency storage to a problem that requires real-time no-latency processing (and no-latency storage). then backup the mainframe's auxiliary processing with a lossless digital hardwire duh this ain't rocket science wtf? i think some of u are using wierd terms just to confuse me  |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:27:00 -
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Soshala Garemoko wrote:look OP if you dont need to see the clouds because ur computer is trash CCP has given to you to turn them off in settings not the cloud im talkin about dipshit read the thread  |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:28:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Aih-Li Tahn wrote:distributed databases exist, right? in ur scenario its like u use more utility companies for more water OK, I'm calling it now, you are just trolling. You've literlly just skipped past the post explaining exactly why what you are stating is impossible and just carried on commenting to the next post. Why don't you go back and reread this post, then understand that you have no clue what you are talking about and request a thread closure. What you are asking for is impossible. The end. holy **** calm down, dude, i read it and i get how it works and yes thats why you cant just put TQ as it is now, on the cloud but with real good code and planing ((eg localise procesing to minmize hi latency/bandwith stuff)) it CAN WORK. they're is no reason to flip out and call discusion over because someone cant reply to evry single post. geez
i dont get it...... what dose a guy disrupting a good argument with farm and poop jokes have related with this thread? |

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:40:00 -
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i get the cloud alright its relevent to my job what qualification do u have? i know everyone on the internet is a "expert" in stuff but srsly? |
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